NAME: Loy Earl Bates, Jr. |
NICKNAME: Lucky |
SERVICE NUMBER: 315030 |
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HOME OF RECORD: Plaquemine, LA |
NEXT OF KIN: Parents, Captain Loy & Mrs. Elizabeth Bates |
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DATE OF BIRTH: 10/7/1925 |
SERVICE DATES: 7/3/1941 – 10/17/1945 |
DATE OF DEATH: 10/1/1993 |
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CAMPAIGN | UNIT | MOS | RATE | RESULT | |||
Pearl Harbor | 3rd Defense Battalion | 803 | Field Music | ||||
Guadalcanal | 3rd Defense Battalion | 803 | Field Music 1st Class | ||||
INDIVIDUAL DECORATIONS: Good Conduct Medal |
LAST KNOWN RANK: Field Music Corporal |
Loy Bates was born in Plaquemine, Louisiana in 1925. His grandfather, Ernest Bates, was a steamboat captain who operated a craft on the Mississippi River; Loy’s father and uncle (Loy Sr. and Ernest Bates) both worked as marine engineers in the steamboat trade. Young Loy grew up on the river, spending time both in Shreveport and with extended family in Illinois, before dropping out of school and getting into “juvenile trouble.” A Baton Rouge judge gave “Lucky” the choice of military service or reform school: fifteen-year-old Bates had to have his mother sign the paperwork allowing him to join the Marine Corps.
Even by 1940s standards, Bates was exceptionally young for a Marine. How he managed to talk his way in to the Corps is not known – at 15, he was well below the minimum enlistment age, so he very likely bluffed his way past the recruiters. Once in boot camp, though, Bates showed an extraordinary musical talent and was quickly snapped up by the Field Music School at MCRD San Diego. He was appointed a Field Music – a bugler – on October 1, 1941, and later that month boarded the USS Salt Lake City for transport to his first duty station with the Third Defense Battalion, Territory of Hawaii.
Bates arrived in Pearl Harbor with his uniform pressed, his bugle polished, and his eyes wide open – he was, after all, only sixteen years old. Less than a month later, he was ducking and running for cover as Japanese aircraft rained bombs and bullets down on the naval base that was his home. Bates was stationed with the five-inch artillery group of the 3rd Defense Battalion; the gunners either tried to train their heavy guns on the swooping enemy airplanes, or scanned the seas in vain for an enemy craft to target. Just as Bates’ bugle called them to action, so too did it bid farewell to the unfortunate; when the smoke cleared and the dead were ready for burial, the teenaged Bates was the one to play Taps over their graves. (This bugle is now part of the permanent collection of the National World War II Museum.)
A few months after his Pearl Harbor performance, Bates was promoted to Field Music First Class. His battalion remained at Pearl Harbor until the summer of 1942, when they boarded the USS Zeilin and sailed for the South Pacific. There, Bates got his second taste of combat on the island of Guadalcanal. A newspaper reported a version of “Lucky” Bates’ service history that would turn the most seasoned action hero green with envy:
In reality, Bates’ time on Guadalcanal was much more routine, and one wonders how much of the article above was sourced solely from over-proud relatives. Records up to May 1943 indicate that Bates had indeed been recently promoted to corporal, and had been evacuated from Guadalcanal due to illness (presumably the malaria mentioned above), but there is no indication that he was ever wounded (at Pearl Harbor or otherwise) or that he was anywhere near Private Al Schmid during the battle of the Tenaru. Finally, Bates is recorded in a San Diego hospital in March 1943, not on a war bond tour. “‘Lucky’ does not like to talk about his feats” is more than likely an indication of a teenager’s embarrassment at his mother’s claim that “he is credited officially with knifing 24 Japs,” and though there are many indications that Bates was a good Marine, there are none showing his participation in six battles, or any individual decorations for bravery.
His previous record notwithstanding, there was still a war for Lucky Bates to fight. He spent much of 1943 on garrison duty in San Diego, and was assigned to Headquarters Company, First Battalion, 24th Marines that fall. However, he spent more time in the hospital than out – likely resurgences of malaria – and on February 1, 1944 was transferred out of the battalion. Bates spent the remainder of the war as a field music at Camp Pendleton, California, and at Naval Air Station Kahlui, Hawaii. He was honorably discharged in October, 1945 – having just turned twenty years old.
Unfortunately, little is known of “Lucky” Bates after the war. He eventually settled in Waterloo, New York, where he married and raised a family.
Bates passed away in St. Petersburg, Florida, in 1993.
From whom did the above information come from? I am Loy Bates’ newphew, Mitchell Bates. We knew him as “Uncle Lucky”. His brother, Millard F. Bates, was my father.
Hi Mitchell! The information came from the cited newspaper sources above, as well as official USMC muster rolls, the US Census, and other records. (I had hoped to find the picture of Bates’ bugle, which used to be available online but seems to have been taken down.)
I’d be very interested to know how much of the second article is true. The records I looked at seemed to indicate that the writer was a trifle overenthusiastic in their reporting, but perhaps there is some family history that I am not aware of. Any clarification to make this biography more accurate would be greatly appreciated!
Cheers,
Geoffrey
Geoffrey – thanks for the quick response. I will inquire among surviving family members what they recall. There very well could be some “embellishment”. There was a link to a war museum that had a picture of a bugle and a supporting statement indicating that, “this was the bugle that Loy Bates blew the ‘call-to-arms’ during the attack on Pearl Harbor”. That link is now missing. As a kid, that was the story I was always told. Anyway, I find this fascinating since I don’t think even we knew all the facts. However, he really didn’t talk much about it. Thanks again….a great website – Mitchell Bates
Hi, Mitchell. I am Jerry Bates, son of Lucky. My family and I vacationed in Panama last year and I showed them a house were uncle Mickey lived in Gamboa.
Hi Jerry! Sorry for the late response. I have never been down to Panama. Dad (Uncle Mickey) use to talk about Panama alot. I think it was one place he truly enjoyed. He had plenty of stories to tell…lol.
Your dad was quite a character. Always in some kind of mischief and always having fun.
Send me an email at jbate46@att.net and we will share some more.
Jerry
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Regarding his young age, the following statement is from his sister-in-law, my mother: “The story of how he got into the MARINES is that apparently he got into some JUVENILE troubles, enough to get in front of a JUDGE in BATON ROUGE, LA, who ordered him either reform school or military. His mother signed the papers allowing him into the Marines.” – Mitchell Bates
My Name is Mike Palmer and I am interested in contacting his children, if he had any. I am a genealogist and the focus of my research has been to document the known descendants of my GGGG Grandparents. Amongst these descendants, lost cousins, was a Harriet Emily Bowman (of Waterloo, NY). I have a 1944 California marriage record of her to Loy Bates.
Mike, my name is Jerry Bates, Harriet Bowman Brown was my mother.
My name is Jerry Bates, oldest son of Lucky Bates. Harriet Bowman Brown Bates was my mother. If I can be of assistance with and of this I can be contacted at jbates@att.com
With regards to the original bugle, as a child I often played with it in the jungles of Panama Canal Zone. It currently is on display at Pensacola NAS National Museum of Naval Aviation. It’s authenticity was verified by the Smithsonian Institution. I couldn’t get the local Marine group interested in it.
Jerry, I am your AUNT MARY, wife of your Uncle Mickey. I was wondering if you knew the whereabouts of your sister, TERRY, and your brother Larry. Mostly, just to keep you all informed of the last of the elder BATES. Uncle Bill is alive and sort of well in PORT ALLEN. I called him the other day and just wanted to pass on the news
Hello aunt, Mary. Hope this finds you well. Please send me an email at jbates46@att.net and I will catch you up on the family.
Hey I am your MUCH younger cousin Suzanne Elizabeth Bates Birdsong. The last time I visited this site there was not much here glad to see more info.
Hello, Suzanne. It is nice to meet you (such that it is). BTW, most people are much younger than me. How are we connected? Who are your parents -grand parents?
Jerry, Suzanne is my sister, daughter of Aunt Mary and Uncle Mickey.
Well, yeah! I guess we are cousins? I miss those times spent with uncle Mikey, and Billy. I can remember swimming in the Gamboa pool, fishing and hunting alligators in the Canal and Shagris River. Also remember uncle Mikey eating his dog’s dog food trying to convince him to eat it.
Mikey’s dad, and my grandfather, lived in the “Big House” at the top of the hill in Gamboa. Grand dad had a war surplus target drone engine in his shop under the house. One day uncle Mikey came over and without grandpa knowing, mounted it on a vise on a heavy works bench and started it up. I guess it had more power than he thought. The loud engine stared and the whirling propeller was pulling the work bench across the shop about the smash into the opposite wall. Thank God the fuel line came loose and the engine stopped just before disaster struck. First time I ever heard grandpa cuss. He was real good at it too. Those were good times in Gamboa.
How are you guys doing? Where are you living?
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Hey Jerry,
I am attaching a picture of a 1938 Bates reunion in ILL. Your Dad is on the second row from bottom. He is the one trying to put little horns on his cousin sitting in front of him. If you look one of the little cousins on the front row has his bugle just thought you might like the picture
bates reunion 1938
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Hi Suzanne,
I don’t think visitors can post photographs in the comments section on this style of site. You should try emailing the photo to Jerry directly – his address is above.
So glad to see this mini family reunion taking place!
Geoffrey